Growth & Grace

Wesley Knight 0:00
This is a KU NB studios original program. The following program is underwritten by Crawford management group and Chris glow and does not reflect the views or opinions of 91.5 jazz and Moore the University of Nevada, Las Vegas or the Board of Regents of the Nevada System of Higher Education. Even better than that was the last time, baby

Music 0:35
we back and we back and we back and we back.

Leaha Crawford 0:44
Hey, Happy Valentine's Day. Y'all, Happy Valentine's Day. Oh, y'all, we got a special guest on here. You know, hey, wait till I tell y'all who it is, though, all right, Seahawks. Seahawks, bad bunny. I didn't understand

Julian Rosado 1:00
the word my antics were right, would blow them out. Thank you

Leaha Crawford 1:04
very much for that. Thank you very much for that. But today, y'all, we have Attorney General Ford. I don't, won't even go into my normal antics. I just want to get him talking, because power pack. First of all, thank you. Thank you for accepting the invitation.

Aaron Ford 1:17
No, absolutely appreciate you including me in this fantastic I just Well, let

Leaha Crawford 1:21
me say this, y'all, when you sometimes we see public elected officials, and I, you know you think that you really can't talk to them. When I tell you, Attorney General Ford has the most amazing family, when I say family, I mean not just mom and dad, grandparents, children's brother in law, sisters in law, just every and every time there is a special celebration family, they hear the family. I mean, whether it's in Carson City, whether it's here in Las Vegas, and I love his grandmother. Love his grant is absolutely amazing. So first, thank you for coming on the show. Current Attorney General. First of all, I want to ask, who is Aaron Ford, who are you?

Aaron Ford 2:09
Yeah, yeah. You know, it's a it's a great question when I get frequently. You know, because of my capacity as Attorney General, I guess it's best described if you were to go to my Twitter page, for example, I describe myself on purpose, as a husband, a father, and then Nevada's Attorney General, in that order, on purpose and by design. I want folks to understand what my motivation is, what I see myself as, first and foremost is a husband and my wife burner, right? That's what the book say. You know, you cling on to her and leave all others, right? And so I'm a husband first, and then I'm a father to my three sons, and we raised my nephew as well. We kind of say four sons. But, you know, my three sons and my nephew love those kids, right? They are. I got goosebumps just talking about them already, right? I mean, they, they continue to be my motivation to do all I can be all I can, and to try to represent and be an example of what true manliness looks like, right? And then I love my job as the Nevada Attorney General, representing the entirety of the state of Nevada, the entire Nevada family, as I call it, because I think of things in terms of a family, and I'm sure we'll talk about that a little bit more, but, but that's who I am. I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm your attorney general, and a person who just firmly believes and doing all that we can to enhance people's lives.

Leaha Crawford 3:29
And I can say, you know, we did tape this show earlier, but today is Valentine's Day when it airs so we have to tell Berna, Berna, thank you. Happy Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day, Baby. Happy Valentine's Day. And I love it, because your wife supports you

Aaron Ford 3:43
100% 100% 100% you know, that's one of the things about our marriage. We, early on, clicked and knew that this isn't a competition. This is us working together. This is us trying to ascertain the best way to allow the other to manifest his or her best self, peer point blank. And so if there were opportunities that my wife had come her way, I would do whatever I could to support that and to help her get to where she needed to be. And it's been vice versa. It's never been a no. It's been, how do we get it done? And at the end of the day, we've been married 30 years now. 30 Wow. 30 years

Leaha Crawford 4:20
on December 31 I even know the anniversary January 1, the party.

Aaron Ford 4:25
Yeah, 30 years. And, you know, it's hard to believe. I mean, I don't feel like I'm, like, 53 years old I am, but we got married pretty early. But, yeah, that's, that's, that's been our secret, just ensuring that we are living for the other person.

Leaha Crawford 4:39
And she, the thing about it is, your wife is an attorney as well. She is, yeah, okay, very

Aaron Ford 4:43
accomplished, you know, you know, smartest person I know, honestly, you know, salutatorian from my high school graduating class, you know, went to SMU got, you know, great GPA, University of Texas Law School, which is one of the top law schools in the nation. She is a brilliant person, right? And she is. You know, we are great compliment to one another, and I love it for that.

Leaha Crawford 5:03
I love it. I love it so political career, because you've been in Nevada now for how long?

Aaron Ford 5:07
Well, we moved here, I like to say at the turn of the century, in the year 2000 okay, but we haven't been here that entire time. We lived here from 2000 Oh, three moved here initially. To your point about who I am and my description of us working to help each other up. We came here for my wife's job. She got a clerkship, a federal clerkship on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals with federal judge Johnny B Rawlinson. I was still in my law school. I was still in law school, still working on my PhD program, and we came out here so that she could do her job, and I visited my last year of law school here at unov. They weren't even accredited yet when I came out here, that's how long. Oh, wow. And finished my PhD while I was out here, and then I went to Detroit to do a clerkship on the Eastern District of Michigan. And then I came back here to clerk for the same judge my wife clerk for Johnny Robinson. It's funny story. We actually came out here. It must have been either late 99 early 2000 and we interviewed. It was March, actually, it was spring break and 2000 okay? We interviewed at the same time with Judge Rawlinson. I already had a clerkship lined up in Detroit, so I had a job lined up, and my wife was looking to interview, and judge had been nominated to go to the ninth circuit. She was already on the district court, and we sat right next to each other with the judge. Then you look at me just like you looking at me. And she would say, so Berna, what do you think about X, Y and Z? She answered the question, and she looked at me, she says, and you Aaron. So we went back and forth answering the question together, interviewed together. My wife got the job. Then I got a job with her as well. And so we were here from 2000 to 03 went back to Texas, which is where we're from originally. That's the y'all you're here coming out Texas, Dallas.

Julian Rosado 6:47
That's my hood boys fan, exactly.

Leaha Crawford 6:53
Eagles over here, right? But we went

Aaron Ford 7:00
back to Texas. We practiced law there for about three or four years, and came back here in oh seven. So we've been back here since, for good, since oh seven.

Leaha Crawford 7:07
Okay, so back since oh seven. So since oh seven? Is that when your political career started, or when did you decide to run for state senate?

Aaron Ford 7:16
You know, it was an interesting conversation, talking about family yet again. You know my we moved back here when my oldest son was a freshman in high school, and we moved back here. He had already started freshman year, but we had to take him out of the first, you know, six weeks or so we moved here. And he said, Dad, you say everything you do is for the family, right? Like, that's right. I'm glad you recognize that son, every decision I make is for the benefit of this family, okay? And he said, Well, then why would you move me from Texas to Nevada, which is ranked at the bottom in education? Oh, and he said, I got you dad. So he was joking with me when he said that, but it resonated. It asked. It was a real good question. Was a real question. I'm a former educator. I taught high school math, and I have a PhD in education, and I took that question seriously, and I decided right then and there that I can sit on the outside and throw rocks and try to complain about the system, or I can get into get engaged and try to change the system to help. And so that's what made me run for office in 2010 ran for the state senate, got beat miserably, lost by 20 points. But you know, it was, it was an experience that propelled me in a way that I wouldn't have imagined. You didn't ask this, but you know, it's, it's, it was an interesting experience, because we lost that race. I was thinking we could win it. There was no way I was going to win that race. They call that race. 30 minutes after the polls close, it was over. Game was over. I was like, what we just we just sat down and started looking at the results come in. It was over. But I never forget, at the end of the race, we were losing, and my campaign manager said to me, she said, you're going to need to go negative against the opponent in order to be able to close this gap. If you want to win, you're going to have to go negative. And I said to her, I said, I'm not going to do that. I won't do that. I can't do that. I can't, in good conscience, be the person who tells my sons, as I always do, you don't have to make somebody else look bad to make yourself look good. You need to stand on your own and not denigrate other folks. I said, so I couldn't tell them that and then run out and have a billboard that everybody for talking bad about. Joe Hardy, yeah, I said, so I said I got to live by my principles, and I did not go negative. I lost miserably, but it's something that developed a reputation that preceded me when I met with others. The next time I ran in 2012 they remembered the character that I displayed in running in 2010 and they thought I'd be a good candidate in 2012 and we won that race by 25 points. Okay, all right.

Leaha Crawford 9:37
So, table, stern, right, that's, that's, you were a freshman senator.

Aaron Ford 9:41
I was, yeah, freshman senator ended up being at the end. That was a great experience as well. You know, at the end of that session, I actually was a group of you. It was several, you know, it was a large class of freshmen, and, you know, I was named Chair of the Natural Resources Committee. I never forget first day I said, Look, I'm. I'm chair of the Natural Resources Committee. I'm introducing myself to you. I said, I don't know why they appointed me to be this chair of this committee. I said, I don't hunt, I don't fish, I don't camp, I don't hug trees. I said, heck, I don't go outside. I don't know why they made me chair this committee. I said, because I have no dog in the hunt, right? Right, right, right. Everybody giggled. But it turns out, at the end of that session, we get some of the most controversial bills coming through the committee, we passed almost every single one of them unanimously. It's because I was able to, to my left, work with my Democrats and to my right, work with my Republicans to ensure that we came to compromise on virtually every bill. I think maybe three bills out of the 50 or so they came through, did not pass unanimously. And so that, that was a great experience. It led to me being honored by the Las Vegas review journal as the Freshman of the Year, okay? And the Reno Gazette journal up in Reno named me Rookie of the Year, right? So, a great experience. And it, you know, it was again, the beginning of a great opportunity that has propelled me since then.

Leaha Crawford 11:02
Okay, so then you serve as senator for, I think two terms. Was it two terms? Term and a half? Term and a half? Okay, term and a half. Because I remember the 2017 session. Yeah, I was majority leader. You were Majority Leader at that time, and there was some amazing people up there with you, because it was some small business laws that change. And I was sitting, I was like, okay, so I need to watch all because y'all just making rules and making rules and making laws, and I got to make sure, no, it was doc prep licenses. So they were saying that we needed to have doc prep licenses in order to do certain things. Yeah, and Tyrone, because Tyrone Thompson, I quote Tyrone. I was like, Tyrone. He was like, Lee, it's a lot of stuff going on you don't see, but I love the fact that you came back and you would engage the community, and it was an amazing bunch of people. So Attorney General, Does the attorney general? What does that mean? What do

Aaron Ford 11:48
you do? Well, there are several jobs. Most folks know what as the know us as the top cop. We do put people who do bad things in jail. Notice I said that. I didn't say put bad people in jail. I said, people who do bad

Leaha Crawford 12:01
things, we put them in jail. Say that again, though, so that they can understand that

Aaron Ford 12:05
there is a difference, right? I firmly believe you're not the worst moment in your life, right? And so sometimes people do bad things, and they have to be punished for it. And so we do have certain jurisdiction, not over, not all jurisdiction. I mean, most things you hear about, murder, robbery, that's for the district attorney. Okay, I have some limited criminal jurisdiction, you know, welfare fraud, I'm sorry, Medicaid fraud, insurance fraud, few other types of things, things that happen in our prisons. And so I am the top cop in that regard, where we protect Nevadans from folks who do bad things and scrupulous individuals. I'm also what's called the People's Lawyer, okay? And that's a very fun role where, again, looking out for the entirety of the Nevada family. And I define that broadly, by the way, okay, well, let's define it. Let's, let's talk about what that looks Yeah, yeah, the Nevada family. To me, you could have been here for three generations, or for three days. If you live in Nevada, you're part of the Nevada family, okay? You could be married with two and a half kids, or single parent with three kids. If you live in Nevada, you're part of the Nevada family and I represent you, you could be black or white, Latino, Asian, Native American. If you live in Nevada, you're part of Nevada family and I represent you, you could be gay or straight. That matter, if you live in Nevada, you're part of the Nevada family and I represent you. And that's an important notion in my mind, because there are a lot of folks, and I've met them, I served with some of them who did not believe that if they you couldn't vote for them, they didn't have to worry about you, children, formerly incarcerated individuals, immigrants. Yes, right. But to me, my philosophy is, if you live in this state, you have constitutional rights. You have rights, you have rights, and you have the right to be represented. And I represent the entire family, and so looking out for them, whether it relates to unscrupulous corporations who have defrauded them. You know, we've brought in over $1.2 billion say that again, 1.2 billion with a B and opioid recoveries, holding opioid companies, distributing, distributors, pharmaceutical manufacturers, pharmacists, consultants. We've held them liable for the havoc that they've wrought in this community, in our state and our communities related to opioids. And that's me being the People's Lawyer, right? We brought in over $200 million of other types of settlements, whether it relates to scams and frauds that companies or people have committed among Nevadans. And so the People's Lawyer is one of the biggest roles we have. And then the third type of role that I will describe is I'm the lawyer for the state. Okay, so the governor is my client. The Lieutenant Governor is my client. The administrative, most administrative agencies, you know, the Department of Education, the Department of Corrections, they're my clients. And so when they get sued, my job is to represent them, is to defend the lawsuit. Or if they need to sue somebody, your job is, my job is to sue. And so, but we also give advice to them, right? So that's part of the job, you know, the kind of a tripartite definition that I provide you for for what we do as Attorney General. Okay?

Leaha Crawford 14:59
So let. Me ask you this. So then you have a bunch of attorneys, then on staff.

Aaron Ford 15:03
We do. We have almost 200 almost. And then we have about an equivalent amount of support staff as well. So about 420 employees in the office,

Leaha Crawford 15:12
all right. Oh, wow. And you Okay? So then I guess there's an office manager. There's all the things, because you're, I mean, you're running basically a law firm.

Aaron Ford 15:19
That's exactly right. You know, Steve Wolfson touts the largest law firm because he has a lot of das over there, but we know we're probably the second largest law firm in the state. We have offices where our main office is in Carson City, as you might imagine. We have an office here that has a little less than half of our employees in it, and we have an office in Reno, and we have some folks out in Ely, where the state prison is,

Leaha Crawford 15:41
got it, got it. So how? I mean inspiration, because I know that's heavy too, because you basically the whole state. So how do you take care of you?

Aaron Ford 15:52
Oh, you made a presumption there that I take care of me.

Leaha Crawford 15:56
Look, well, you have to, not only, but I mean, you're family man, husband

Aaron Ford 16:00
first, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got three jobs, as I've indicated, right? I'm a husband first, I'm a father, and then I'm the attorney general. And, you know, it's not the easiest thing to do to tell the truth, right? I'm still working on the best ways to, as you say, take care of myself. Two weeks ago, I downloaded the calm app, you know, so that I can start listening to medications and I'm sleeping to this type of, you know, sound that's supposed to calm me down and rest my brain, you know, I I've downloaded the bend app so I can do some stretches in the morning here and there, right? You're in good shape, yeah. I mean, I'm in good shape, but I don't eat well, okay, I just don't, I don't eat a lot at all. Sometimes I forget to eat. My wife will tell you, right? I mean, I will work all day long, and, you know, eat once, right? So I have to be better at that, be more conscious with with the ways in which I take care of myself. But the most confident part of my existence is who I have at home, right? My wife's at the house. Of my kids, you know, they're not at home anymore with emptiness that they're all in college or elsewhere. But, you know, I have a family that sustains me, that keeps me grounded, that reminds me that you might be the attorney general, but you just Aaron to me,

Leaha Crawford 17:11
that's her, that You sound just like her. You sound I hear her saying it, right? I hear her saying it. I hear her saying it so being the Attorney General. I mean, we talked you talked about some of your accomplishments. What do you have to say? Because you're turned out I am. What do you have to say to your successor?

Aaron Ford 17:31
You know, let me get to that question in a roundabout way. Just last week I gave, I think was last week I gave what has, what is now my final, what I initiated, called the state of justice speech. You see, when I was inaugurated in January of 2019, day two on the job, not day one. It was like a bunch of crudity and crumpets and teas and everything. But day two on the job, I introduced myself to all my new 400 co workers. Expressed to them who I was, because there were some. It was a tough campaign. You might remember, we barely won. Point four, seven percentage points, right? I tried to say point five. My team was like, nope, point four,

Leaha Crawford 18:08
seven. And you don't forget that point I don't 40 533

Aaron Ford 18:12
votes approximately represented my difference between winning and losing. And it was a tough race. It was a nasty race. It had a lot of didn't go nasty. I did not. Others did. Others. And others went, you know, racist as well. I think they went below the belt, honestly. And you know, so there was a lot of commercials out there. So I had to disabuse my new co workers of some notions, okay, and acknowledged to them some facts as well. So I introduced myself to them, and I said, Look, we have a job in this office. Every attorney general brings a new like motto or theme or focus. And my said, my focus is going to be on one word, justice. Our job is justice, period, point blank. And I said to them, justice doesn't mean just a notch on the belt where it's an arrest and a conviction. So to be sure, you got to put people who do bad things in jail. But Justice also has to recognize that systems are made of people. People are fallible, which means systems are fallible, and including the criminal justice system, for example. And so sometimes you make mistakes, and you have to recognize that when you make a mistake, you must exonerate and compensate. Sound like my brother Johnny Cochran, and so that was an example of me, Sandy, then we're going to look at Justice holistically. And my tenure, we have had 16 cases where people were wrongly convicted, okay, and we have they've been exonerated, and we've been able to compensate them. We've been able to work in our office to help restore justice in that regard, right? I met

Leaha Crawford 19:43
one of the 16.

Aaron Ford 19:45
So, you know, I say that to say that began my first state of justice speech. I gave my last one last week. And I've been, you know, getting emotional the last couple of months knowing that I got nine months left in this job, right? It's been a fantastic job. You know, we've gone through a once in a lifetime pandemic. We've gone through a reckoning in police brutality with George Floyd's murder and breonna Taylor's killer. You know, we've gone through, you know, elections that have been very interesting, interesting. You know, I'm going to miss that particular role, and what I have to say to my successor, whomever that's going to be, is take care of these folks who are working there. They're not politicians. They are tried and true, dedicated public servants who just want to do what's best for the state. And when you come in and you acknowledge their their their effort and the worth. I think it's well received, and it encourages them to continue doing such a great job for the people of the state. They this has been the best job I've ever had, and I've had some good jobs. Okay, clicking on the Ninth Circuit, like I said, But Judge Ronson being a school teacher and being a state senator these but this is the best job.

Leaha Crawford 20:57
Call it back, though, school teacher, because you want to know what I know. I knew you were a school teacher. What made you do? I mean,

Aaron Ford 21:05
why school teacher? Yeah, so, you know, it's funny as a first career, yeah, I didn't know what I want to be when I grew up, when I went to Texas and M I went in as a mechanical engineering major. I was good at math, and I thought I want to be an engineer. And soon discovered I'm not engineer material in terms of sitting behind a desk and not interacting with folks. And so ultimately, changed majors, and I became a math teacher. You know, the I took this interest evaluation test that said you'd be good at being a teacher, being a lawyer and being a politician. And lo and behold, I've been all right, but that's why I was a teacher. I taught school, and I went all the way through higher education. I have two master's degrees in education. I have my law degree and have my PhD in education, and taught school during those time periods. And thought I was going to open up charter schools. That was my idea. But I went to law school, learned about this new area of law called school law, and went to practice law in that particular arena, and that's what took me into the law. But teaching was, was great. I enjoyed it. I taught in Texas, I taught in Virginia, taught in Ohio, never taught here, although I've been an adjunct at the law school here, and really enjoyed that. That's, that's, that's, that's a great job.

Leaha Crawford 22:18
Oh, wow. But I mean, it's just an amazing combination. But it's funny, somebody told you you were going to be these three things. That's right. You're probably sitting there like, WHAT ARE YOU SERIOUS off a personality test, and you have done all three. Yeah, have done all three. All right, so what is your if you looked at if you had to look back, and I know you don't live with regrets, the path, could you What would you tell the 19 year old Aaron Ford, what advice would you give him? And that's one of the things like, what advice would you give 1920 years old? What advice

Aaron Ford 22:53
I got goosebumps, and these are negative ones. But the advice I would give myself is, it's gonna be all right, hmm? Because it was, you know, at 19, I was a freshman. And, you know, my transition from tough times in tough neighborhoods to Texas and them wasn't an easy one, right? So, you know, Texas a&m was a difficult environment for an inner city kid to experience. It was one of the most conservative institutions, remains, one of the most conservative institutions, and certainly Texas, probably the nation. And you know, my experience, I wasn't, wasn't a friendly one. It just period. It just wasn't a friendly one. And you know, there was a time at age 21 where there was a pivotal, pivotal point in my life that changed my trajectory. Period. It used to be that I did not want to go back to Tough times and tough neighborhoods. Neighborhoods I grew up in were friends who I knew were, you know, doing bad things and but on June 29 1993 that day is etched in my memory, because that day is the day after my junior year in college, the summer after my junior in college. On that day, I became a parent. I was a college kid. I was a parent. My baby's mother and I had a son, and six months later, I was a single parent, and thought about dropping out of school, not knowing, you know, you said 19 year old, my 20 year old, 21 year old self needed here is gonna be all right as well, because that was a tough my head was in a fog. Then, I mean, I have no, had no recollection or no idea how I was going to so i want you to stand

Leaha Crawford 24:27
because sometimes they look at you and they don't see that, right? No, and it's like you are basically a 30 year success. This was some work. This wasn't just handed to

Aaron Ford 24:42
you, yeah, you know, didn't walk into this people you know, look at your nine and think you had a silver spoon in your mouth, right? Your boy didn't have a spoon. It was tarnished.

Leaha Crawford 24:52
It wasn't silver because so your single parent, yeah, single

Aaron Ford 24:55
parent almost dropped out. Did not. Two reasons kept me from dropping out. My mom. Who was willing to help out till number two came through, which was my welfare. I got on welfare section, 8000 food stamps. They call it snap now. They got a fancy credit card. I had to use that fake money food stamps. The

Leaha Crawford 25:18
thing about it is because they would take the $1 bills without the book, but if you but if you had the fives and the 10s, you had to show them the book so they can make sure they can match the numbers. I remember, yeah, came from it. I don't understand it

Aaron Ford 25:28
got on. That got on. I was on Medicaid, you know, which is in the news now, snap is in the news now, though, you know. So the likelihood of people losing that hits me differently, as the People's Lawyer got it right. So I've sued the federal government when they tried to take SNAP benefits away from 500,000 Nevadans, right? Because Aaron Ford knows what it's like. Snap kept food stamps kept my son and me fed. And so when you hear about the federal government trying to get rid of, you know, Medicaid, 100,000 folks might lose their Medicaid benefits, it hits me differently, because Medicaid kept my son and me healthy, right? And so this is the experience that I bring to my everyday life. And I would have told my 19 year old self, or 21 year old self, it's gonna be all right, because my son, my son and I, and I'd be quiet. I give you the mic back after this, my son and I, my oldest son, the one I had in college, we share a hashtag. The hashtag is from Medicaid to medical doctor. Yes, Avery is a medical doctor now, three time president of his class at Georgetown medical school. He's down in Florida, you know, down doing his residency in emergency medicine. And you know, it's an example of what happens when government does its job, which is to invest in people, the people who put them there, not be a hindrance, but to be a help, it didn't just help me in ultimately going to get five degrees instead of dropping out, but not one. It helped the next generation. My son, my middle son, was in law school now, my third son, who is a junior biochemistry major, right? These are the types of stories that people need to understand, and I like to share, because it's my testimony.

Leaha Crawford 27:00
I shared enough, because he's a first gen, first generation college student. Yeah, right. You are first generation, right college, first generation college student.

Aaron Ford 27:09
And my dad dropped out of high school. He told my mama he graduated, but we learned he dropped out in 11th grade sock south of club High School. He dropped out.

Leaha Crawford 27:17
Okay, no. And the thing about it is, I think that you're a real person, and now you know you're not your accolades. That's what I love about you. You're not your accolades. You are. You are the man, the husband, the father, and then the Attorney General, I try to be. All right, you have a do? You have a question? You have anything? Well, we, you only got two minutes

Aaron Ford 27:39
talk too much. Sorry. No, no, no, this

Leaha Crawford 27:41
is what we wanted. Because I think that I know, for me, really not understanding what an attorney you know, it's an attorney general, but you don't understand the roles. Like lieutenant governor. I don't know what the lieutenant governor does. I know what the governor is supposed to do, but what is the lieutenant governor? And we have these state offices, and a lot of us don't know what the job is, but you know we, you know we, we know that somebody's doing them. Yeah, and stuff happens like, you know, we don't understand the Senate in the assembly. You know, we take during the season, we take time to educate people on, you know, if you want to listen again, you can, because you can listen to our podcast. If something you heard or you weren't sure, you can go back and listen to it, but we want to educate people. Because I think education, it takes away, you know, a lot of the fear.

Julian Rosado 28:28
What is your next venture?

Aaron Ford 28:31
I intend to be your next governor. There we go. Okay, all right, okay, all right, my candidacy. And that's, that's, that's what I intend to be.

Leaha Crawford 28:39
All right, all right. And you want to know I love it, and I love the fact that, first of all, you accepted our invitation. And you know, I can say, disclose he is a part of our d9 family, sweet

Aaron Ford 28:49
Noops in the house as pretty as I am, you already know, because

Leaha Crawford 28:54
pretty girls, like pretty boys, pretty girls, and his wife is my sister. So I will say that it has been a plum pleasing pleasure. Thank you to have you here today, and I look forward to whatever, wherever your journey takes you, and thank you for showing us absolutely that you can be a husband, a father, you know. And I know you put God first because I know your wife. I know your wife. I know your wife and just thank you, thank you for being here, for including me. You're listening to growth and grace. I'm Leah Crawford. This is Julian Rosado. I know you only said that one time. I know we only said it once. You want to know what? When somebody is engaging, I only have to say it once. I don't think about a question. All right, y'all until next week, have a Happy Valentine's Day. Stay safe, and y'all don't have to hear me shout out, shout out football again until August, when the season starts. No Olympics. Now watch the Olympics. Now. I'm not watching it. No, no. It's tax season. It's tax season. I'm doing tax returns. I'm trying to do tax returns. I love y'all. We'll see y'all next week. All right, bye.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai